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  ARE JW'S MORE HONEST THAN OTHERS?

  by minimus in

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  one thing that the witnesses promote is how they are different from the rest of the world.

  in your personal experience , did you find that you could trust a witness more than you could a non-jw?

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  Zev has got it just about right!

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  The "Superhuman" Cult Leader

  by refiners fire in

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  most cults have a tendency to venerate the founder of the cult as a person with supranormal powers.

  to illustrate.take an example such as stanley kubrick, stanley is venerated as a genius film maker, but he is venerated for only that one thing.

  clark gable might be venerated, but only for acting.

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  Fred Franz was venerated by many during much of the last century. He was considered the "oracle" of the WTS while Knorr was considered the administrative master mind during the same time frame.

  Many considered F. Franz a genius. One circuit overseers wife told me that if Fred F met you once, even briefly in an elevator at Brooklyn Bethel, he would call you by name the next time he saw you even if it was some time later. From this simple claim/observation she (and I think her husband shared the opinion) leaped to the conclusion that he was being used by God to lead "his people in these last days."

  Only well after F. Franzs 1975 prediction did not come true did JWs become silent about his "genius."
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  Ethics Discussion of WTS Blood Policy

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  ethics panel discusses blood policy of watchtower bible & tract society and jehovah's witnesses refusing lifesaving treatment .

  the oncologist journal of august 2002 contains an interesting discussion between a panel of medical professionals on the subject of jehovah's witnesses refusing blood therapies.. this article focuses on a witness woman who refused some blood therapies but was convinced by her congregation elders that it was okay to accept bovine hemoglobin therapy.

  realizing the glaring inconsistency of bovine hemoglobin being acceptable in the face of prohibiting other blood therapies like red cell infusion, one physician said,.

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  Lee, I agree with you that this nurses observations were right on the money. In situations of this sort with which I have been involved, the physicians referred to the elders (HLC) as "the Gestapo." These Gestapo members are not present primarily out of love and concern for the welfare of their brother or sister, but out of concern for the proper observance of WT rules. In a twisted way they may think that they are helping the JW patient by protecting them from evil, demonic medicine, namely "blood."
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  Anderson's Go to Canada to Testify

  by silentlambs in

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  joe and barbara anderson will be representing silentlambs.org at the victoria boer sexual child abuse trial in toronto, canada that will begin on sept. 9th.

  the andersons need a place to stay for approximately one night in toronto during the trial where barbara will be called to testify against the watchtower.

  in addition, if they could find a place to stay somewhere near northern indiana or michigan, on the way from tennessee to the trial, and a place to stay when they return, it would save silentlambs motel costs.

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  My Mom Won't Shun Me!

  by voltaire in

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  i feel a little guilty about this, because i know that so many of you have lost contact with your families, but i thought you might find it interesting that my mother has told me, via my father, that she won't shun me even if i'm df (which is a very real possibility).

  i'm not coming out unscathed (does anybody?

  ) since my marriage is set to end in the next couple of weeks, but i'm so grateful that i'll still have my mom.

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  Sam Beli

  Hello Again Voltaire,

  Im glad for you and for your mother that she will help preserve your family ties. Lets hope that she does not get into trouble with the local elders for maintaining a relationship with you.

  Seems that your wife adds proof to the accusation that the WTS breaks up families.

  The best to you,

  Sam
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  My Brother Was Shunnued Thought He's Not DF!

  by voltaire in

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  my brother is definitely a "bad example", he's going to college (gasp) and he has a beard (sort of, actually it's better to say that he shaves real infrequently, maybe once every two weeks!

  ) and he never goes to meetings, but he's not disfellowshipped.

  he tells me he was with some college friends at a restaurant/coffee bar type place and a group of youths (i'm still stuck with jw terminology after all these years!

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  Sam Beli

  Hello Voltaire,

  Did this incident involving your brother occur in your old home town, or where he is going to college? I hope that college helps to enlighten him, though it sounds as though he is already heading in that direction.

  Warm regards,

  Sam
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  Ethics Discussion of WTS Blood Policy

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
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  ethics panel discusses blood policy of watchtower bible & tract society and jehovah's witnesses refusing lifesaving treatment .

  the oncologist journal of august 2002 contains an interesting discussion between a panel of medical professionals on the subject of jehovah's witnesses refusing blood therapies.. this article focuses on a witness woman who refused some blood therapies but was convinced by her congregation elders that it was okay to accept bovine hemoglobin therapy.

  realizing the glaring inconsistency of bovine hemoglobin being acceptable in the face of prohibiting other blood therapies like red cell infusion, one physician said,.

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  Ethics Discussion of WTS Blood Policy

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  ethics panel discusses blood policy of watchtower bible & tract society and jehovah's witnesses refusing lifesaving treatment .

  the oncologist journal of august 2002 contains an interesting discussion between a panel of medical professionals on the subject of jehovah's witnesses refusing blood therapies.. this article focuses on a witness woman who refused some blood therapies but was convinced by her congregation elders that it was okay to accept bovine hemoglobin therapy.

  realizing the glaring inconsistency of bovine hemoglobin being acceptable in the face of prohibiting other blood therapies like red cell infusion, one physician said,.

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  Sam Beli

  Hi Scully,

  Yes, I still find myself checking labels too. Actually, none of us want to ingest harmful ingredients and label checking is probably a good thing But just be honest about what is going on.

  We all want to avoid blood when ever possible, but when necesary it can be a life saver. The WTS will not give medically necessary blood the credit it deserves. Instead, they lie in an attempt to cover their deviousness.

  Those Brooklyn Masters are murderers, plain and simple.

  Edited by - Sam Beli on 27 August 2002 13:54:36
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  Ethics Discussion of WTS Blood Policy

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  ethics panel discusses blood policy of watchtower bible & tract society and jehovah's witnesses refusing lifesaving treatment .

  the oncologist journal of august 2002 contains an interesting discussion between a panel of medical professionals on the subject of jehovah's witnesses refusing blood therapies.. this article focuses on a witness woman who refused some blood therapies but was convinced by her congregation elders that it was okay to accept bovine hemoglobin therapy.

  realizing the glaring inconsistency of bovine hemoglobin being acceptable in the face of prohibiting other blood therapies like red cell infusion, one physician said,.

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  Wife asked: "Why on earth would they allow the blood that's is specifically banned and not allow the blood that they feel is implicated, though not specified?"

  Great question! The Masters of this policy are of their father, the great liar. The entire policy is a lie, so as one lie is added to another, the lies become more and more convoluted.

  They know they are lying and they will do anything to get out of the lie short of admitting their lies. They hope upon hope that something will surface to "save" them from their lies. They have been hanging on the slightest word of encouragement about "artificial" blood in the hope that such developments would render the human or animal forms of blood unnecessary in medical practice. Since that hope has thus far failed to materialize, they are turning to animal products as a way around what most JWs think of as "blood." Note that the patient in this case told her JW visitors that the bovine product "was not blood." That statement too was a lie. Of course it was blood, not whole blood, but blood; not human blood, but cows blood. Poor soul, she was lying even to herself; how else could she cope with the cows blood she was receiving, but by lying to herself and lying to her visitors?

  Remember years ago the urging from Brooklyn to talk to ones butcher to make sure that the meat JWs ate was "properly bleed" so as not to violate Gods requirements concerning blood? And now this, putting animal blood right in a JWs vein with Brooklyns blessing!

  Unfortunately, for the Brooklyn Masters, the Internet has begun to expose their lies before any "artificial" blood has come along to save them from their lies.

  Edited by - Sam Beli on 27 August 2002 13:42:59
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  Ethics Discussion of WTS Blood Policy

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  ethics panel discusses blood policy of watchtower bible & tract society and jehovah's witnesses refusing lifesaving treatment .

  the oncologist journal of august 2002 contains an interesting discussion between a panel of medical professionals on the subject of jehovah's witnesses refusing blood therapies.. this article focuses on a witness woman who refused some blood therapies but was convinced by her congregation elders that it was okay to accept bovine hemoglobin therapy.

  realizing the glaring inconsistency of bovine hemoglobin being acceptable in the face of prohibiting other blood therapies like red cell infusion, one physician said,.

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  This thread deserves to be read by many more